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More I Just Don’t Get It

Yesterday I mentioned I have been searched only once by the police. It happened in college when I was back home over the Christmas break (we could actually use that word back then). Three other friends and I went to a Pizza Inn or Hut in Rock Hill late one evening. The place was closed early, and so after pounding on the door and examining the posted hours, we discussed where to go to assuage our hunger. We noticed a police car in the filling station across the street, so when we headed west on Manchester with the police car following, the driver, Dave, made sure to stay below the speed limit.

The police officer turned on his lights just before we entered Warson Woods, so by the time we actually pulled over at the Warson Woods shopping center, we had an officer from Warson Woods, and a Sargeant from Glendale in addition to the officer from Rock Hill. The Rock Hill officer, who wouldn’t tell us why we were pulled over, was none too happy when Dave gave him a paper driver’s license which was a temporary because his original had been destroyed in an apartment fire in Columbia. So they went off to the Rock Hill car to sort matters out, leaving us with the Warson Woods officer standing alongside the passenger side ignoring my friend Greg in the back seat who kept asking him why we were pulled over. Greg’s brother had apparently had a number of run ins with the Rock Hill police and his family didn’t have a high opinion of them. Greg wanted to get out and address the officer directly, and since it was a two door car, I got out to let Greg out. The Warson Woods officer was none too happy that either of us got out, so he told us to get back in the car. Greg told him he wouldn’t get back until we were informed why we had been pulled over. The officer than said he was giving us a lawful police order to get back in the car. I complied, Greg didn’t. So they handcuffed Greg, searched all of us and searched the car.

All they found was four college students looking for pizza.

I have to admit I snickered when I was ordered to take the keys out of my pocket “real slow” while the police officer watched very intently with hand on gun following the discovery during my patdown that I had a large metal object in my pocket. My keys were on a very large brass K.

The Glendale sargeant eventually persuaded the Rock Hill police officer, who about went ballistic when we told him we’d simply follow him to the Rock Hill police department and pay $500 cash to bail Greg out of jail, to let us go since we were “super squeeky clean” and he was glad he wasn’t the one who would have to write this one up. So after Greg “apologized” we were on our way.

So why bring this up? Did you notice something? We were searched without a warrant. Some would have you believe that’s a violation of the fourth amendment. Apparently not. Anything else? It was Greg, and Greg only who “didn’t obey a lawful police order”, but we were all searched along with the car. That’s right, I, who did obey the order, was searched, along with my two friends who weren’t even subject to the order. You mean they could search a person’s associates? Just in case there’s some question, we were all US citizens on US soil.

One last thing – they finally told us what we were pulled over for while driving 28 MPH down Manchester Road — loitering.

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I Just Don’t Get It

Outrage is still flowing strong over the NSA program to eavesdrop (wiretap is so last century people) on international phone conversations and emails — often wrongly described as domestic. I’d love to see those people who claim this is domestic go to the domestic terminal to fly to Australia (under the theory that they are a US citizen embarking in the United States), or order a domestic French wine in a swanky restaurant (under the theory that they rare a US citizen consuming the wine in the United States). Look it’s really quite simple. If somebody sits in the comfort of his home in the US and sends something, including information, outside the US then what is sent is sent internationally. If that same person receives something in the same comfort of his home from abroad, including information, then what he recieves he recieves internationally. Now here is something that’s going to really blow some people’s minds: If you, a US citizen in the United States, provide anything, including information to a foreign national anywhere, even in the comfort of the United States, or even indirectly through another US citizen if you know it will be provided to a foreign national, even inside the borders of the United States, you have committed an export.

Much has been made over the former NSA director, General Michael Hayden, remarks on the subject. Some claim it demonstrates a shaky grasp of the 4th amendment. I’d say it demonstrates that those complaining have a shaky grasp of the 4th amendment. Tom Maguire demonstrates the error of their ways repeatedly. Jeff Goldstein has also exhaustively covered this topic.

I think it also demonstrates that those who charge it’s unconstitutional need to get out more. They seem to argue that a search requires probable cause per the 4th amendment. I’ve been searched so many times by government agents or by government mandate (only once by law officers though) I can’t keep count. I can remember a time (barely) when you could just walk on an airplane like a train or a bus, but for a long time everybody has been searched. Now every piece of luggage, and every person who boards is searched by a government agent. Yep, US citizens, inside the US, travelling domestically (and I do mean domestically) are searched without a warrant, without probable cause, by the US government.

You go to the courthouse here in St. Louis, you get searched. US citizens, inside the US, are searched without a warrant or probable cause everyday by US agents in the very courthouses intended to uphold the law.

A couple of years ago, we took a trip to Washington D.C. We were searched at every location on the mall. Not only did we have to walk through metal detectors, backpacks, purses, etc. were opened and searched. Again, US citizens, inside the US, searched without a warrant, without probable cause, by the US government. The Smithsonian, the Capitol Building, the Library of Congress — everywhere we went. I’m sure the irony will be lost on the Congresspeople involved that everyday thousands of US citizens are searched without a warrant to gain admission to the very building where the inquiry into warrentless searching of international communications will be held.

I have taken trips outside the US and I’ve been questioned about my activities abroad upon my return, and usually my effects have been searched, all without a warrant or probably cause by US agents. Even Democrats call for US customs to search every shipping container entering the United States. Needless to say, without a warrant, without probable cause. How can this be? How can this massive violation of the 4th amendment continued on for so many years if probable cause is required for a search of a US citizen, his person, papers, home, or effects?

As I said previously, I don’t understand why I’m supposed to be upset that the NSA is eavesdropping on international phone calls — calls that pass through an international border — to US citizens when those very same citizens are subject routinely and unremarkedly to questioning and search if they physically made the same trip their call were making. What is the difference?

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